That’s where statements, chakra fruits, and scaling fit into the fray. Considering all this, Naruto wins mid diff because of his arsenal. He carried out his missions, got stronger and eventually made friends, but became the target of the Akatsuki (A group of some of the strongest ninja in the world), and was unable to prevent his closest friend from abandoning the village for his own evil purposes. BYM Naruto would beat A weakened great ape all he has to do is dodge and cut tail off as well. It’s Naruto + Kurama fused power together to create a new power So let’s say x80 Base naruto. Naruto's multipliers would have to be 20x to match Vegeta. I think people put them against each other because Naruto is pretty much most huge manga in world after dbz. And have comparisons. Given statements, reactions, growth, and scaling, it makes sense. Do you really think this is some dbz episode where Naruto is gonna sit there and allow for these characters to sit up and charge or mix a Ki ball moon to set up great ape transformation ? Sage Mode is activated by gathering natural energy and infuses it into Naruto's chakra system, which is often done by Shadow Clones so Naruto doesn't have to do it himself. Prove that Lee is completely invisible, then we will talk. I mean, people argue to this day that Cell is only planetary. continuous blast of chakra ball blasts from Toneri. You could say this for some dbz characters as well. He has the AP to do it and isn't afraid to nuke the planet. The season follows the Akatsuki leader Pain invading the Leaf Village and attempting to kidnap Naruto Uzumaki.It is referred to by its DVDs as the chapter of Two Saviors (二人の救世主, Futari no KyÅ«seishu). Then he had to create the moon burst himself. Smh Naruto still has no answer to Galick Gun, vegeta have no answer to rasengan shuriken. So post tree juubi Madara is even stronger and Naruto was still relevant and could keep up with this Madara. Explain how Naruto is greatly faster than Vegeta in base and Great Ape. Holy shit this is the worse then Mxyzptlk vs Sheogorath , well next i should make sheogorath vs naruto and i would def tag desmond, @plustenken: True at least not the mid - high tiers of dbz which one shot Naruto god tiers with a finger. You think Naruto is going to get the benefit of being wanked to Saiyan Saga Vegeta, especially when he has Great Ape? If it weren't, there would be little reason for a character of Vegeta's power to wear it and continue to wear it throughout the series (cept maybe it's iconic, I guess). These aren’t outliers since she already admitted she wasn’t going to hold back anymore and was intentionally willing to kill him after ice planet and he still damaged her twice after this. A simple ki blast overpowers that, how would it be a problem? I don't know what your base argument is. lol, naruto and temari literally said they can't see him ROLFand read the whole scan kid kakashi needed to pull out his sharigan to keep up lee cause for the almost the whole fight naruto was confused cause he could not see him, @johanliebert123: Yeah you can’t Base popularity votes on the actual outcome As an argument lol Especially considering the troll accounts lol. Then on Namek frieza sets Planet on course to detonate Cus he has lost his wish and is losing battle. easily lifted a giant stone statue of a frog which could possibly weigh 100 tons. INot being able to see Lee is not the same as there being no blur. If Vegeta senses that happening, if it even could, he'd just vanish out of the way. While using his chakra, Naruto gains a massive boost in strength, speed, durability, and chakra output, along with retaining the ability to create chakra arms. Vegeta can still win, though. When Naruto is in danger, Kurama can give him some of his chakra. Making Juubi madara even stronger. After joining Team Kakashi, Naruto worked hard to gain the village's acknowledgement all the while chasing his dream to become Hokage. A Great Ape then fell on him. Toneri absorbs 50% BSM Naruto energy with his own and is stated to be able to destroy the earth With this amount. Vegeta has the AP to take out Naruto. Naruto damaged her multiple times and overpowered her multi times. He had already tanked a x4 Kamehameha. It has a planetary amount of energy from the air, earth, grass, trees + Goku’s weakened base energy at that time. But it has to be done, so lets get into it. For instance in naruto someone can have mountain level of chakra but their output energy is only city level despite them showing feats of harming someone who can destroy mountains, or being stated to destroy mountains with some form of proof. It could safely be argued that it is moon level. Nine-Tails Chakra Mode: Can tank punches from A who can smash Madara's wooden clones and their Susanoo. Making Rasenshuriken useless because Vegeta normal ki blast are faster and stronger, Naruto making this a long range fight is not in his advantage. IF you could bullet point the key factors that'd greatly be appreciated. It is just talking about the gates. With an explosive whirling of energy and winds, Sasuke was sent rocketing away and crashed into the God Tree. Then fast forward cell is going to destroy the solar system cus he is fed up with the z warriors and cus he was losing. So this ten tails is a good deal stronger than the one that had planetary amount of energy. The concept of Jutsu in the Naruto universe is one of the main facets of the series, because most of the characters have their own special move, some more awesome than others. After gaining half of the Sage of Six Paths' power and chakra from all of the Tailed Beast, Naruto gained this form. His Great Ape was nowhere near full power. And in this case it was probably Combining and multiplying naruto and Kurama power to greater heights than they ever known essentially or would ever get from just SPSM. Clones are probably the most irrelevant thing in his arsenal since AoE attacks are a thing. But this is stopped because obviously the earth is the setting and home world of our main cast. I don't see this being possible unless he is massively faster than Vegeta. Took Toneri’s Golden Wheel Reincarnation Wheel at point-blank range while in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, which splitted the entire moon in half as well, and survived uninjured. So someone certain jutsu has to be accounted for As far as explosions. @ssjbatdan: Also thanks for making this fun I think you’re a good debater you’ll be on team us sooner or later. Obito absorbs it making its power more focused. The Juubi itself is like a planetary spirit bomb worth of energy in Naruto verse. Now BYM / Baryon Mode is at least twice as SPSM. So SPSM being x40 base Naruto. (Androids were after Goku / Akatsuki were after Naruto), -Both have lost battles and gotten stronger by training or receiving big power ups, -Both have fought the people who were responsible for their parents death (Frieza / Madara / Obito), -Both have pulled epic moments where they show up when all their friends are defeated (Saiyan saga Goku / Pain Arc / end of 4th war naruto), -Both have more transformations than many other Shonen MCs, -Both have fought and beat aliens from different planets that take over and conquer worlds, -Both have saved the earth multiple times, -Both ended the series by beating bad guy and having a Son years later And both have gotten more powerful after every timeskip, I’m a huge dbz fan but People think Naruto is weak because kishi never drew him destroying a planet is a oversimplification. CM1 is 2-5x, CM2 is another 2-5, Sage Mode is relative and we assume since Sasuke is an MC and special he gets 10x, right? So SPSM being x40 base Naruto who in Base is high relativ+. In Naruto the plot never really demands for the planet to be destroyed. Exactly but like I said he is pushing an agenda. Naruto is not. And this dude beat out all of those things. In what way are they planet level and how did Naruto combat them? Great Ape Form has huge weakness. People were arguing years ago that end of Shippuden Naruto could beat this Vegeta. Juubi has planetary amount of energy it’s like a spirit bomb that has power circulating around the world. So yeah, even that strat gets negged. @invadedtbd: ”don’t bother him bro he’s just pushing for Naruto characters to be at late Saiyan saga tiers it’s not worth it”, definition of toxic sideline hating gentlemen. Nine-Tails Chakra Mode: Pushes through Bee's Tailed Beast Bomb through layered barriers. With Yin-Yang Release, Naruto can restore missing body parts of himself and others, and heal people back from the brink of death. This is more highballing. It's time to get into the top 10 Naruto Jutsu we've seen over the years in the Naruto Universe. If 50% BSM is small planetary 100% BSM would be 2 x small planetary or small planetary + Raditz is stronger than both Goku n Piccolo who blew up moon at least 3.5 - … He then tanked a Spirit Bomb. An easy feat considering he’s planetary already from the end of war and he did this feat while not even full power. Naruto can still use Tailed Beast Mode in this state, making a much stronger Kurama structure. faster than the eye can see=light speed🤨, kakashi needed to use sharigan cuz his base eyes could not keep up, so using your logic (faster than eye can see=light speed), kid rock lee is SOL which is consistent since kid sasuke reacted to haku older lee reacted to bloodlusted haku etc etc see what you done here? Biju Mode is stronger than sage mode but let’s just say they are equal for sake of argument for not highballing. The eighth season of the Naruto: Shippuden anime series is directed by Hayato Date, and produced by Pierrot and TV Tokyo.The eighth season aired from March to August 2010. He's not a bald idiot that is going to tank a Destructo Disc. I'm not a physicist. Oh, we'd also have to get calcs for Vegeta's armor's durability. Why are you bringing up the Spirit Bomb? After separating and sealing Kurama from his chakra, Naruto can access it directly without interacting with Kurama at all. This actually happened when Killer bee guided Naruto to the Fountain of Truth and afterwards the Room where he stole most of Kurama's Chakra by force. Despite these projectiles being incredibly dense, they move at an incredibly fast rate once they’re fired. This was a great and fun debate man 👌🏾😁. @yuuto-jika557: Nothing in the scan you sent has Kakashi saying that. What are you refuting? Goku was confident this could beat vegeta. We have Naruto Shippuden episodes, Naruto Season 1-9 Episode (1-220) , Naruto Movies and the ongoing Boruto series. In this state, Naruto's speed, strength, and durability all increase, and he infuses natural energy into his techniques to make them stronger. By channelling Kurama's chakra into his fist, overpowered an attack that sliced the Moon in half. Naruto can force out a lot of Vegeta's ki while he dashes around him and spams clones with massive Rasengan. Once he is confirmed to have planetary AP with a single attack it will be possible. All trace of them. Vegeta won't be down on chi because this fight is not going to last long. Even if it hit him, it would have to tear past his ki barrier. And if someone does use a attack that is going to, it is almost always stopped before it happens. Yajirobe's sword did go through it, but this nearly dead Vegeta only received a large "surface" level scar. Contribute to dropbox/zxcvbn development by creating an account on GitHub. Then fast forward kid Buu destroys the earth just out of boredom and to flex his powers. By gaining more of Kurama's chakra, Naruto can form a shroud of Tailed Beast chakra around his body in the shape of a fox. Chakra is a finite resource, and using too many techniques in succession drains it quickly. This wasnt even the full KN0 boost like the actual boost Naruto would get from KN0. During his training to master Sage Mode, Naruto, Sage Mode: Can easily smash stone, lift earth statues with ease, and stop a charging rhino then grab it and throw it high into the air. Madara absorbs a even stronger Juubi that has half of 9 tails n full 8 tails. But I can’t put a definite number on it so let’s just say six paths Sage mode is at least twice as biju Sage mode. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. I think this is feasible. Since he was using a sword it is kind of hard to get a real estimate, but there are other feats for his armor. Then people like Obito and Madara are stacked with this power and even more considering Madara Juubi was stronger than Obito juubi He absorbed. When did I mention Naruto being MHS? And even giving Naruto the benefit of the doubt, Vegeta still has Great Ape and Naruto has no way around it. Fast forward Naruto has both halves of Kurama now. Hokage SPSM oberpwoered and killed Momoshiki who is hyped to be on same lv as Kaguya. Whenever you fuse together enerfy you always get greater results. After leaving the village for two and a half years to train with one of the Three Legendary Sanin, Naruto returns to the Leaf Village determined to foil the Akatsuki's plans, bring back his friend, and claim the title of Hokage. The North American[1] and Japanese releases were scheduled for September 2014. He has a low ball of moon armor durability on top of this. Fandom Apps Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Ki blast are far faster and stronger than any rasenshuriken iirc. Such a move is something that gives them more character and originality. Does Naruto have an attack that can reach the moon in a few second? The spirit bomb I brought up is relevant because it’s important in saiyan saga. Tanked being punched down into a waterfall. ... "Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken!" Orphaned at an early age, he was given his mother's surname to protect him from the prying eyes of the other villages. Can Naruto survive that ? Threw Sasuke into a mountain yard hard enough for it to crack open. Namek is out of their range. You can clearly see him. Six Paths Sage Mode: Kicks Madara's Truth Seeking Ball back to him. Tanks the combined explosion from Indra’s Arrow and his own Six Paths: Ultra-Big Ball Rasenshuriken. Low-Budget Password Strength Estimation. Which makes planet Namek even more relevant and reliable and another supporting reason. And by massively, I mean MASSIVELY since splitting up his chakra like that is going to reduce the speed of his bombs. Naruto is able to content wIth dual eyes Juubi madara limbo clones which equal user. They will keep trying with every new boost he gets. Adjust accordingly if your button layout is different. Given Naruto's speed advantage and considering lucky shots, I give him the edge. Later he fights Tenseigan Toneri who can push the moon and fight him At same time. Well, he wasn't nearly dead at that point, that is hyperbolic of me, but he was nowhere near his full power. Six Paths Sage Mode: His chakra arm punch is able to match Kaguya's punch. @ssjbatdan: Yes man it’s pretty close For Hokage spsm vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta but BYM would win w/o question. D&D Beyond why don’t you just take a crap in the prom fruit punch Bowl. I will try to list all the jutsu's Naruto performed in the Anime and Manga. At some point, if the series goes long enough, he will win. He disappears briefly at some angles. Auxiliary data. It is basic physics. @rdcdesmond: I can't read all that. The Juubi itself is like a Naruto verse spirit bomb Where it has a planetary amount of natural energy circulating on the planet. If anything, this proves Vegeta is planetary while nearly dead. People don’t even try disguise their biased ness ways it’s visibly obvious lol. Kakashi x3 KN0 is a pseudo boost. Why is the Light Fang such a big deal if they were already Light Speed back then? Attacked Pain in the five seconds interval before he can use jutsu. If he's not allowed to have a full moon, that is fine. Baryon Mode is treated as a higher boost. @rdcdesmond: How does the Sage mode scaling work? But that’s not gonna happen anyway Vegeta would lose before he would have the time to mix that ball n throw it n transform. Hell, he'd likely be able to tell if it were even dangerous to him just by looking at it since he could tell the Destructo Disc would hurt Nappa. n DB and DBZ the characters literally vanish. Secret technique (Y+Y+B) : Tailed Beast Planetary RasenShuriken Naruto evolved tremendously from a dunce who couldn't mold his chakra into the Saviour of the world. The episodes for the twentieth and penultimate season of the anime series Naruto: Shippuden are based on Part II for Masashi Kishimoto's manga series.The season focuses on Naruto Uzumaki, Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno and Kakashi Hatake attempting to defeat Madara Uchiha and Zetsu, the ones behind the activation of the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It's vague how strong it was, but then he was still standing. So yeah in speed wise scaling and transformation BYM Naruto should be pretty much blitzing Saiyan Saga Vegeta, His Hokage Base being In verse god tier speed and his higher forms stacking on top of that would put him above Vegeta in speed. You're comparing that to characters that are fighting COMPLETELY INVISIBLE, not even any blurs, for minutes at a time. Vegeta doesn't need to do that. Biju Mode is higher than that. But the main cast still have a way to bring back the planet with Namek wish. Vegeta should be able to dodge many of them and he can kill a bunch of the clones with a scatter of ki blasts while doing so. It can create explosions that are visible far away while capable of vaporizing almost everything in the blast area. You just said I'm not correct, but I made a lot of points. Yes or No, because Vegeta does at least scale to one. But it couldn’t control its power. Or he could just do him like he did Nappa TK gg. Then Kaguya is revived with planetary amount of energy from everyone in world + allied shinobi + Juubi Madara body and naruto was able to damage her multiple times. Because the shroud is made of chakra, Naruto can extend arms of chakra from it to interact with the environment. That's a nerfed Great Ape, but sure, I guess we can claim that this takes place right in the Saiyan Saga before Vegeta fought Goku and not on neutral playing grounds. Naruto fought for several days against multiple top tiers of his universe including Obito, Madara (both as an Edo Tensei Zombie and newly-revived as the Ten Tails’ Jinchuriki) and Sasuke, as well as multiple other high-powered Ninja and almost died after multiple days, with several injuries that would definitely kill most. Yajirobi has no means of blowing up a moon but he is above Saiyan Saga Goku n piccolo during Raditz arc, here lemme start it over question is show when chhakra (jutsu which is manifested chakra) move to the moon in a few seconds so I willWhen momoshiki was asorbing chakra out side his star-solar system-galaxy-universal size dimension, @yuuto-jika557: I generally only consider Momoshiki dimension as small pocket sized solar system with a small star and small planets while Kaguya the same except her ice and gravity planets should be larger. It's not a leap in logic that Saiyan Saga Vegeta is a planet buster at full power. All else he is a blur. Actually, it helps back up my statement that his armor is moon level. Also if you felt froggy why not leap and tag me why downtalk like a pus. Sage Mode: Blitzed Pain and fought equally with him, whose speed goes to about Mach 742 and. I don't want to pull the Great Ape card, but it would destroy him, even if Naruto had the AP to kill Vegeta. He just needs a full moon. Also, his base is only relativistic, so Vegeta would still have the edge. Again, his armor would be pretty useless if it couldn't survive that and Yajirobe has the KI to destroy a moon, just no technique to do it. December 11, 2008 ... "Planetary Devastation" July 1, 2010 -Both their fathers fought a huge battle and sacrificed themselves for the future of their child, -Both grew up and fight many enemies who were after them. Vegeta does not stomp. I don't think Vegeta can tank a few of these to the eyes. Helped end the Fourth Great Shinobi World War, Helped defeat most of the Otsutsuki Clan (, Was able to physically grab onto his soul and resist having it pulled out in his fights against Kurama (his physical superior) and Nagato (who was using the Rinnegan), Saved the world from being destroyed by the moon, Brought peace to the 5 Major Villages and the rest of the Ninja World, First member of the HST to get a big titty waifu. 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